The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.– Albert Einstein
Monday, February 24, 2014
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Follow this link and read the article posted there. In the space below, leave a comment. You should react to the article AS WELL AS your classmates comments. Feel free to pose questions that will invigorate the conversation.
When thinking about forensics my initial thoughts would be seeing the fingerprints under the special blue lights or watching characters from CSI snipe drops of blood in crazy crime scenes. After reading this article I realized that the show isn’t nearly enough to show anyone what its really all about in fact in my opinion giving future forensics investigators the wrong idea of what they could possibly want to do. Knowing that the TV shows are actually different from what happens in the real world I think that it could possibly change a lot of ideas people have of the job. I thought that it was a lot of individual work but turns out its not Perkins says “Each job requires very individual skills, yet all three work in teams to decipher crime scenes”, this just goes to show that even the smartest critical analyzers have their teams to put everything together and solve crimes as best as possible.
When watching these types of shows, you get a scene of the type of work these people do but at the same time don't go into depth with the process they have to go through to get the right answers. Reading this article made me realize that reading about this and watching these shows actually have a lot of different things from the real world. Rachel, have you thought about the how having this type of job can change a lot of peoples mind from just reading this article? At the same time, we need to think outside the box because in the article it says, "While investigators discover some murder scenes very quickly, they may not find others for weeks, months or even years. By then, all that’s left of a victim might be a bare skeleton. Determining a victim’s identity, much less how and when he or she died, poses a challenge." meaning that answers might not come right away and just like the shows mistakes can be made and then the whole process to re-analyze starts over again. That's why to me, watching the shows can be interesting but at the same time theirs always questions lingering in my mind about whats really going on.
Like many others I when I referenced forensics I first think of finger prints, color changing chemicals, anthropology and other such things. Yet TV shows like NCIS, CSI, and BONES don't deeply describe the actual process and the fundamentals of the procedure that each cadaver goes through and how exactly the information about the cadaver is obtained. They leave out many details that truly show what having a job in forensics is like and they only portray the interesting parts of the job instead of the basic procedure of the cadavers. Like you said Ariella its true that there are mistakes made or details missed but through thorough restudying the cadaver investigators are able to pinpoint what mistakes or details were made or weren't seen
After reading this article I realized that forensics is not like what it is on T.V. Being a fan of the shows I never realized how much time goes into forensics and it made me realize that it is a field that is determined by solving puzzles. What caught my attention is how they test the DNA and how long it takes for it to be analyzed.
I have seen the T.V. shows, and, like Bridget, was surprised to see that it took a long time to gather information. I also suspected that finding DNA at a crime scene would be relatively easy. But like they said, they cant get DNA off of anything and they might not have enough. Why can't you get enough DNA from one cell? Every cell has all of our DNA in the nucleus so what stops them.
Well Mark, I'm not exactly sure how to answer that question. However, I think it is just a matter of having enough DNA. The more DNA that they can get, the more accurate their results would be. It also could be a lot easier to test the DNA if they had more of it. I'm not completely sure about this but I am making me best guess.
I have seen a lot of investigating shows that involve studying cases and making sure people have the right amount of DNA research that they need. i agree with Bridget by saying how much time it takes to analyze DNA because it takes a long time. I always imagined investigating for clues during cases was a lot easier than what i realized it ends up being. Usually, there is someone looking over clues in the labs and seeing if they can find any type of DNA on it, and people are outside in the scenes looking for more clues. Then, if you think about it, the person that is usually first to be the one blamed on T.V. shows, are not the person that is the one with the matching DNA results. Forensics is a lot more work than it is seen to be.
After reading the article on forensics I realized that the forensics on the T.V. is nothing like the real forensics. T.V. shows make forensics seem so simple and quick, but it actually takes a lot long in real life. Being a fan of these types of shows like Bridget and others I realized that they cannot always get DNA off of every piece of evidence that they find and that they have to take pictures of the crime scene which is similar to investigation shows. Like Lindsey said, I think that if they had more DNA then they would have more accurate results. After readings this article I thought that I was interesting to see what forensics really is and how much work is really put into it.
After reading the article I found out like Melanie said that the shows that I watch on television are real. In CSI they can get evidence or DNA from just about everything, and in the article it says when it is in bad conditions like snow or rain, there is less evidence, but in the show they can find DNA in less then five minutes. Also that they have a farm or one Acre land on just dead bodies. They can figure out how the dead bodies can rot, how long they can rot, the age, sex and everything their needs to know about the victim. In the article it said how humans have about 99.98 % DNA the same, and it only takes .02% to determine the right person. I did not know that.
I disagree with Mel when he says "the shows that I watch on tv are real". This article actually proves that they are not real. After all they are television shows - nothings real. Before reading this article I always wanted to pursue a career in this field. I thought it would be interesting but after reading this article - no thanks. I never realized how long it take to analyze evidence. However I think that some of these tv shows do, in some ways, accurately depict SOME aspects of forensics ( I am referring to svu because that the only show I watch.
Like many others have said, after watching shows such as NCIS, CSI and Bones and then after reading this article I realized that these shows leave a lot of the true forensic process. We understand now that there is much more time put into finding out who a finger print belongs to and who's blood was found at a crime scene. Shows like the ones I mentioned are very misleading to those who would want to pursue forensic science as a profession, and hopefully they look more into it because it is much more time consuming than anybody would have originally thought. A few people touched on this idea such as Rachel, Bridget and Karen so it seems that a lot of people are shocked at how time consuming this job is in real life compared to how it is depicted in TV shows.
I agree with everyone but I think that the reason why they can't add all the information in the show because well the show is only an hour so they cant fit a lot of information in one show. However, I still think that they leave a good hint of what kinds of methods they use to solve cases.
Forensic science is a very interesting subject when discussing but when you watch investigating shows it's very different than what actually is going on which is very ironic when you think about it. To comment on Lindsey I completely I agree I feel like if there is enough DNA you can get accurate information which will be satisfying when trying to figure out what happened to these bones and who are what it comes from. Forensic science takes a lot of investigating and researching which will show how long it actually takes.
Before reading this article I thought the exact same thing that Rachel thought. My idea of crime scene investigating was using the blue light to find fingerprints and it was easy as that. Now I have more knowledge than I had before and I know the hard work and technique that goes into the job. I know that it is a process and can sometimes take longer than a day and I don't really watch any of the schools but from what I've seen I now realize that it isn't as east as it is portrayed on tv. I've always wanted to go into college and do something involving law enforcement and after reading this show I'm even more interested especially in crime scene investigating. Something that caught my eye is that it said that it's a job where you don't have to sit in a office all day and that is something that really catches my eye.
i agree with what Dejia and Rachel are saying on the pure fact that i underestimated the role and job of crime scene investigators. i now have a greater respect for what they do and the importance of their job. This job is not something that happens over night and it takes a lot more work then i thought in order to be successful. Being a crime scene investigator is not what they show on tv shows and movies. they can only show so much and is not an accurate portrayal of what crime scene investigators actually do for a living. growing up ive always wanted to do something in criminal justice and this makes my decision so much easier
When thinking about forensics my initial thoughts would be seeing the fingerprints under the special blue lights or watching characters from CSI snipe drops of blood in crazy crime scenes. After reading this article I realized that the show isn’t nearly enough to show anyone what its really all about in fact in my opinion giving future forensics investigators the wrong idea of what they could possibly want to do. Knowing that the TV shows are actually different from what happens in the real world I think that it could possibly change a lot of ideas people have of the job. I thought that it was a lot of individual work but turns out its not Perkins says “Each job requires very individual skills, yet all three work in teams to decipher crime scenes”, this just goes to show that even the smartest critical analyzers have their teams to put everything together and solve crimes as best as possible.
ReplyDeleteWhen watching these types of shows, you get a scene of the type of work these people do but at the same time don't go into depth with the process they have to go through to get the right answers. Reading this article made me realize that reading about this and watching these shows actually have a lot of different things from the real world. Rachel, have you thought about the how having this type of job can change a lot of peoples mind from just reading this article? At the same time, we need to think outside the box because in the article it says, "While investigators discover some murder scenes very quickly, they may not find others for weeks, months or even years. By then, all that’s left of a victim might be a bare skeleton. Determining a victim’s identity, much less how and when he or she died, poses a challenge." meaning that answers might not come right away and just like the shows mistakes can be made and then the whole process to re-analyze starts over again. That's why to me, watching the shows can be interesting but at the same time theirs always questions lingering in my mind about whats really going on.
ReplyDeleteLike many others I when I referenced forensics I first think of finger prints, color changing chemicals, anthropology and other such things. Yet TV shows like NCIS, CSI, and BONES don't deeply describe the actual process and the fundamentals of the procedure that each cadaver goes through and how exactly the information about the cadaver is obtained. They leave out many details that truly show what having a job in forensics is like and they only portray the interesting parts of the job instead of the basic procedure of the cadavers. Like you said Ariella its true that there are mistakes made or details missed but through thorough restudying the cadaver investigators are able to pinpoint what mistakes or details were made or weren't seen
ReplyDeleteAfter reading this article I realized that forensics is not like what it is on T.V. Being a fan of the shows I never realized how much time goes into forensics and it made me realize that it is a field that is determined by solving puzzles. What caught my attention is how they test the DNA and how long it takes for it to be analyzed.
ReplyDeleteI have seen the T.V. shows, and, like Bridget, was surprised to see that it took a long time to gather information. I also suspected that finding DNA at a crime scene would be relatively easy. But like they said, they cant get DNA off of anything and they might not have enough. Why can't you get enough DNA from one cell? Every cell has all of our DNA in the nucleus so what stops them.
ReplyDeleteWell Mark, I'm not exactly sure how to answer that question. However, I think it is just a matter of having enough DNA. The more DNA that they can get, the more accurate their results would be. It also could be a lot easier to test the DNA if they had more of it. I'm not completely sure about this but I am making me best guess.
ReplyDeleteI have seen a lot of investigating shows that involve studying cases and making sure people have the right amount of DNA research that they need. i agree with Bridget by saying how much time it takes to analyze DNA because it takes a long time. I always imagined investigating for clues during cases was a lot easier than what i realized it ends up being. Usually, there is someone looking over clues in the labs and seeing if they can find any type of DNA on it, and people are outside in the scenes looking for more clues. Then, if you think about it, the person that is usually first to be the one blamed on T.V. shows, are not the person that is the one with the matching DNA results. Forensics is a lot more work than it is seen to be.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading the article on forensics I realized that the forensics on the T.V. is nothing like the real forensics. T.V. shows make forensics seem so simple and quick, but it actually takes a lot long in real life. Being a fan of these types of shows like Bridget and others I realized that they cannot always get DNA off of every piece of evidence that they find and that they have to take pictures of the crime scene which is similar to investigation shows. Like Lindsey said, I think that if they had more DNA then they would have more accurate results. After readings this article I thought that I was interesting to see what forensics really is and how much work is really put into it.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading the article I found out like Melanie said that the shows that I watch on television are real. In CSI they can get evidence or DNA from just about everything, and in the article it says when it is in bad conditions like snow or rain, there is less evidence, but in the show they can find DNA in less then five minutes. Also that they have a farm or one Acre land on just dead bodies. They can figure out how the dead bodies can rot, how long they can rot, the age, sex and everything their needs to know about the victim. In the article it said how humans have about 99.98 % DNA the same, and it only takes .02% to determine the right person. I did not know that.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with Mel when he says "the shows that I watch on tv are real". This article actually proves that they are not real. After all they are television shows - nothings real. Before reading this article I always wanted to pursue a career in this field. I thought it would be interesting but after reading this article - no thanks. I never realized how long it take to analyze evidence. However I think that some of these tv shows do, in some ways, accurately depict SOME aspects of forensics ( I am referring to svu because that the only show I watch.
ReplyDeleteLike many others have said, after watching shows such as NCIS, CSI and Bones and then after reading this article I realized that these shows leave a lot of the true forensic process. We understand now that there is much more time put into finding out who a finger print belongs to and who's blood was found at a crime scene. Shows like the ones I mentioned are very misleading to those who would want to pursue forensic science as a profession, and hopefully they look more into it because it is much more time consuming than anybody would have originally thought. A few people touched on this idea such as Rachel, Bridget and Karen so it seems that a lot of people are shocked at how time consuming this job is in real life compared to how it is depicted in TV shows.
ReplyDeleteI agree with everyone but I think that the reason why they can't add all the information in the show because well the show is only an hour so they cant fit a lot of information in one show. However, I still think that they leave a good hint of what kinds of methods they use to solve cases.
ReplyDeleteForensic science is a very interesting subject when discussing but when you watch investigating shows it's very different than what actually is going on which is very ironic when you think about it. To comment on Lindsey I completely I agree I feel like if there is enough DNA you can get accurate information which will be satisfying when trying to figure out what happened to these bones and who are what it comes from. Forensic science takes a lot of investigating and researching which will show how long it actually takes.
ReplyDeleteBefore reading this article I thought the exact same thing that Rachel thought. My idea of crime scene investigating was using the blue light to find fingerprints and it was easy as that. Now I have more knowledge than I had before and I know the hard work and technique that goes into the job. I know that it is a process and can sometimes take longer than a day and I don't really watch any of the schools but from what I've seen I now realize that it isn't as east as it is portrayed on tv. I've always wanted to go into college and do something involving law enforcement and after reading this show I'm even more interested especially in crime scene investigating. Something that caught my eye is that it said that it's a job where you don't have to sit in a office all day and that is something that really catches my eye.
ReplyDeletei agree with what Dejia and Rachel are saying on the pure fact that i underestimated the role and job of crime scene investigators. i now have a greater respect for what they do and the importance of their job. This job is not something that happens over night and it takes a lot more work then i thought in order to be successful. Being a crime scene investigator is not what they show on tv shows and movies. they can only show so much and is not an accurate portrayal of what crime scene investigators actually do for a living. growing up ive always wanted to do something in criminal justice and this makes my decision so much easier
ReplyDelete