The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed. – Albert Einstein




Monday, February 24, 2014

ARR # 1 Period 3

Follow this link and read the article posted there. In the space below, leave a comment. You should react to the article AS WELL AS your classmates comments. Feel free to pose questions that will invigorate the conversation.

21 comments:

  1. What I found most interesting about this article is how well it demonstrated Crime Scene Investigating as being intricate work. It takes hours of searching for anything that can be considered evidence and then there is no telling how long after that until analyzing the evidence will lead to valuable information. Bodies are kept and studied on the Body Farm, which we read about previously, and even a sliver of DNA material can be deciphered with today's technology. Many sciences are involved, but the lab seems coolest to me since I was once serious about majoring in chemistry and it is amazing how much they find out from one incident they did not even witness. If I had the patience or stomach for it, I'd think leading a forensics career.

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    1. I agree with Jazmin that this article just shows how much is necessary to become a crime scene investigator. I used to think that anyone could become a crime scene investigator, but now I realize that it takes a lot of sciences. The way that they explain DNA analysis is like solving a puzzle and full of chemistry was interesting. Using polymerase to copy the DNA in a technological way was very interesting to read about. The amount of education, time, and just skill that it takes to be involved in a field like that is not something you hear about everyday. I have a new kind of respect fro crime scene investigators after reading about just how complex their tasks typically are,

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  2. What I was surprised to learn about in this article was just how much science and biology goes into Crime Scene Investigation and forensics. When I see shows such as CSI and Law & Order: SVU, I always thought solving cases as easy and all you really needed was a DNA match from the scene. However, that is not always the case because you can't get DNA from just anything. Forensic scientists have to do a lot of procedures to find DNA material, and I did not realize that. They have to use a lot of solutions and chemicals to test DNA. Also, I learned that it may take a really long time to find murder scenes and matches. Crime Scene Investigation is very intriguing. I remember when I went to the CSI exhibit at the Science Museum a few years ago, and we learned all about DNA matches and how you can find DNA on very specific parts of the body like under the finger nails. At that exhibit, they took you through all of the stages and a murder case. Although crime shows and the science of crime investigation is very interesting, I don't think I would be able to do it because I don't think I would be able to look at a dead body and be okay with it. I would feel too bad for the person. I don't know, though. Maybe, because it is very intriguing and specific.

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  3. To add to Lizzie's point, I agree that this article definitely gave me a more realistic point of view on what happens in forensics. Overall, this article cleared up my misconception about how hard a forensic scientist's job actually is. In all of the shows such as CSI and Law & Order, viewers never see all the outside factors that need to be taken into consideration as the crime case is being solved. The most interesting part to me was the body farm because it truly tries to display all the different types of situations that could happen, further proving that every crime case is different and there are different factors that investigators have to consider. Clearly, jobs in the forensic field will always be changing because each case is different and there is always new technology being developed.
    Would any of you donate your body to the Body Farm?

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  4. I always thought that having a job in forensics was apart of the Criminal Justice Department since on T.V. shows the investigators always seem similar to cops. A job in forensics seems very time consuming and very detailed since a forensic expert has to be sure to obtain all evidence that it can without missing any. But what happens if forensic experts are wrong? Based on this article my opinion about every being a forensic expert has changed. Unlike Jazmin, I would never want to be a forensic expert even if I had the stomach for it. Although they seem cool in the media they have to do far more work than what is seen on T.V. Why don't T.V. shows show the entire process?

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  5. Immediately, I thought it was wicked interesting how forensics is used. I have always been interested in crime shows like "Castle" and "Rizzoli and Isles". I had some knowledge of forensics through studying Forensic Psychology. However, this article really opened my eyes to what must go into forensics in order to get a simple piece of evidence. There is always the possibility of looking for nothing, yet a forensic expert must still look for even the tiniest details can be the biggest help. This article also brought light to the fact that in order to be an expert, you must have patience and intelligence because it takes days in order to develop evidence through chemical tests and also it is a lot to carry. In the case of Stoner, she has too much evidence to work with, so it must be very busy and what could become a problem is convicting the guilty person. Overall, I would say the article is very helpful and informative as well as representative of what forensic experts do on a daily basis. To answer Courtney's question, television shows do not the entire process because the show has a very limited time frame and obviously forensics can take days and also the show must also feature other parts of the episode beside the forensics behind it. However, that is just my opinion. As a whole, what do you think it takes to be a forensic expert?

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  6. I found this article particularly interesting because of my interest in crime scene investigation shows, especially Law&Order SVU. It caught my attention when it mentioned how they test the DNA and how long it actually takes them. I had the same reaction as Lizzie did about finding the evidence, because the crime scene shows makes it look easy. In reality the field as a whole and finding the evidence is difficult and interesting to me. What also stood out to me was the Body Farm. We read about this before and the idea behind this fascinates me. To reply to Courtney's question about the forensic experts being wrong, I don't think this is very likely. In the article they describe the techniques that are used and how they are precise with everything that they do. Overall, this article definitely opened up my mind to the job of Crime Scene Investigation.

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  7. The most interesting thing about this article was just finding out just how tedious and time consuming crime scene investigation is. In the movies and on television shows this process looks like it takes a short amount of time- but of course a show or movie cannot be hundreds of hours long. I agree with Michael's comment that this article gives a great understanding on what forensic experts do on a daily basis but I would like to know more about the education level required to be a involved in crime scene investigation. Does anyone know the degree level and specific majors or schools?

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  9. This article immediately caught my attention as I enjoy crime shows and always have been intrigued as to how crime scene investigators solve crimes. Unlike these shows, however, the process take hundreds of hours as Niles said, and perhaps that makes it less appealing for some people. On the other hand, I would be interested in pursuing a career in this field. Similar to Jazmin, I would love to explore the forensics career. I think I have the stomach to put up with the tough conditions I would encounter, thus reinforcing my interest in this field. I am also wondering the same thing as Niles as I have yet to actually search into this career and how to become a forensics expert.

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  10. Similar to all of my classmates of above, this article was extremely interesting. I love watching Law & Order: SVU and this brought one of my favorite shows to life. However, this article was extremely disturbing as well. Despite the author's comment about thinking of the bodies as just bodies (from a scientific perspective) and acknowledging how important body farm research is, I would never in a million years imagine myself analyzing corpses under the hot sun and observing the maggots festering on what ever human flesh is left. To answer Michael's question, as a whole forensic experts need a strong stomach and a passion for doing this field of work. I know I would never be able to stand beside a decomposing body without crying and having a nervous break down. There has to be some sort of interest and the expert must feel comfortable and content with this job.

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  11. I think that TV shows are making forensic science look too easy, in shows like NCIS CSI and Law and Order the forensic specialists solve the case relitivly quikly, and with little or no problems along the way. This article reveals the true components of the job and that it is not as easy as depicted on TV. However the article was intersting and made it easy to see that not everything about this job can be taught in a classroom, for there are thousands of ways a person cna die or go missing, and forensic scientist have to beabnle to apply pre learned knowledge,a long with being able to pick up information on the go to slove the crime. I agree with Shakira answer to Micheals question, some peopel could barely handle dissecting rats and frogs, nevermind the smell of rotting flesh being cooked in the sun.

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  12. I agree with Jake and Olivia; I had no idea how much time and work went into forensic science. The article showed me how much individual skill a forensic scientist needs, especially with catching every little detail at a crime scene. I also had no idea that it took 12 or more hours to examine a crime scene since on TV it usually only takes a few minutes. To answer Courtney's question, I think TV shows don't show the entire process because it is very tedious and, like Michael said, the show has a limited time frame so the producers would want to show the more interesting aspects. Overall, this article was very interesting and taught me a lot about forensic science.

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  13. I have always been fascinated with shows relating to forensic science that it came to the point where I memorized SVU's opening lines and Criminal Mind's theme song. I agree with Courtney as I would not have the stomach for this as I do not have the stomach for a rat, but also it takes up a lot of time and I do not have a lot of patience. However, I disagree with Jake that shows make forensic science easier than it already is because the shows always show how long it takes for everything to happen, how stressed out everyone is and what it takes to catch the right person. I respect people in this field as it takes a lot of work, but I would not do it, but a question for others is do you think forensic science should be taught in schools?

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  14. I really liked this article, partially because I have always been interested in murder investigations, and since it has allowed me to continue to think about a future in criminal justice more seriously. I didn't know the full extent of how complicated forensics and crime scene investigation is. Before reading this article, I still pictured everything in a crime scene to be somewhat easily found and laid out like crime scenes on the show Criminal Minds. But this showed me that forensics is much more complex and difficult than depicted on TV. Also, I agree with Jake's comment that forensic scientists have knowledge way beyond what they learned in a classroom, and that they need to be able to solve puzzles on the spot at the crime scenes. To answer Michael's question as well, I think a forensic expert needs to have a lot of patience and determination to continue to investigate these crimes.

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  15. I agree with everyone who says that TV makes the process look very easy. Also, some TV shows and movies even solve cases in unrealistic ways, such as the movie "Deja Vu" with Denzel Washington (I highly reccomend). In the movie, Washington is an ATV agent who teams us and uses a surveillance camera of satellites to look at any one point in time from any angle, which is not available now. However in the movie, it also shows tedious work by officers to investigate and find evidence, as many officers were hard at work searching a house for any little strand of evidence they could find. This also reminds me of the movie "Reasonable Doubt" where the evidence was found, but there were multiple reasonable possibilities to the case as there were witnesses and others trying to get out of trouble. None of the movies I've seen actually go into depth about the evidence or the body to make it seem as interesting or realistic as the article makes it seem. Overall, this is very interesting how movies depict how people like Stoner and Bass do their jobs. They make it seem as if the job is long, but easy overtime when everything is really a puzzle they don't have the pieces for yet.

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  16. This article reminds me of a documentary I watched about a real murder case of a woman who was raped and killed. But the murderer was very smart and clever and left absolutely no trace of evidence behind that could indicate he performed the crime. It was fascinating; scientists and analysts could not put their finger on anything that could depict who killed the woman. Police finally had a suspect who was thought to be the killer despite his saying he had no idea who the woman was. They could not convict him because they had no concrete evidence of his presence at the house of the crime scene. Investigators finally did one last exam in the house where the body was found and they were able to find one piece of hair of that suspect. This one little follicle of hair helped solve the whole mystery case. It is amazing just to think how big of an impact one small detail has. Forensic science is truly miraculous. This article just proves the intensity of this career field. One thing can mean so much. Also, this article allowed me to use what we learned in biology so far when it explains how Stoner "uses a process called polymerase (PO lim er AZE) chain reaction, or PCR, to copy the DNA over and over." It further explains how this process can "take just one-billionth of a gram of a person’s genetic material and create thousands or millions of copies of that DNA." That is just amazing to me. The power of scientists is incredible and the limit of science is expanding. Those who work in this field can feel the victory of solving mysteries while spending their entire time in a lab room--that's awesome.

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  17. I agree with Niles and Courtney when they said that this reading helped them to realize that crime scene investigation is very time-consuming and takes a lot of work. Also, I really enjoyed this article because it did not make crime scene investigation look as easy as it looks on television shows and movies. I already knew that crime scene investigation is nothing like it is portrayed on television because many people have told me that before. I do not think that it is fair that actors and actresses are glamorized and no one is able to see the real work being put into investigation. Crime scene investigators and all other people involved in the field do not get enough for what they do. It takes a lot of time and hard work to do it. Also, it takes a lot of brain work

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  18. I was immediately intrigued by this article because I love shows like CSI ans Law and Order: SVU. On shows like CSI, the investigation work seems so easy and they get tests they sent out back right away, as many of us mentioned. As the article and Brandon mentioned, crime scenes are just like one big puzzle. I think the puzzle-like aspect of crime scene investigation makes me even more interested in the field. Similar to Jazmin and Finbar, now I would like to look into careers in crime scene investigation. I think the field work is the most interesting part of the general crime scene investigation career. Even though it may be a little morbid and unappealing to some, I am intrigued by the fact that a body can be found years after its death and the investigators can still figure out how and when the person died. This job also has an emotional appeal to me because, while i was reading, all I could think about is how gratifying of a feeling it would be to finally solve a crime and be able to bring some peace to the family of the victim. Overall, this was a very interesting article that I enjoyed reading.

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  19. This article is very interesting and reveals the true labor and effort that goes into crime scene investigation. I always considered investigating crimes as a possible career, but after reading this article, I'm not that interested evaluate of the amount of time and effort that goes into just one days work. 12 hours searching for evidence seems like a life time. I completely agree with Erin in the fact that the field work is the most interesting part of this career. So much time is spent searching the crime scene, one definitely has to have a good eye for this job. Shoes like CSI make this all seem so easy, only if it was like that in real life! This is one fascinating career to choose.

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  20. I agree with Olivia I did not understand how much work was put into this one job. It seems like a very interesting career and something not many people would want to do. This article was really interesting and I would love to learn even more about it! Also, I agree with Brandon that crime scenes are one big puzzle and agree with Erin that the shows make it look so simple, but overall a great article!

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